file and folder pages behave in an unexpected manner

[Qrbaker]

Page names with and without trailing /, like https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Manual/ and https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Manual (note the trailing "/") do not resolve to the same page. This breaks navigating up hierarchies.

[TrueBrain]

I am not completely sure what you mean, as you are a bit minimalistic with the ticket :) But how TrueWiki sees the world:

Everything ending on a / is a folder. Everything else is a file request.
A folder request, internally, is rewritten to a file request by appending Main Page to it (basically the index.html variant of what most HTTP servers do). This because we cannot render folders, only files.
(well, there are a few exceptions, mostly / is an exception, but okay; minor details :D).

So those two URLs, according to TrueWiki, are indeed not the same, and shouldn't be the same. /en, the page, doesn't exist. /en/ internally is rewritten to /en/Main Page which is rendering /Page/en/Main Page.mediawiki from the filesystem, which does exist (most likely).

What I am not sure about, is why you wrote this ticket; what is going wrong exactly?

What do you mean with "This breaks navigating up hierarchies.". Does TrueWiki render broken breadcrumbs in the top navigation? There should never be a link to /en generated by TrueWiki, only to /en/. Did you find somewhere this not being the case?

Or is this because you have the expectation TrueWiki redirects /en to /en/ automatically? In that case I wonder why this is your expectation and when one would hit /en?

Or is there something else behind this ticket?

All honest questions, to be clear :) Really curious about the motivation behind this question :) Tnx :)

[Qrbaker]

The issue is visible on our staging wiki. We made a top-level page called "Web Console" and nested some other info in Web Console/:

• https://crafty-wiki.silverfyre.info/en/Web%20Console
• https://crafty-wiki.silverfyre.info/en/Web%20Console/Logs

The top level directory UI made me think I could click on the folder name to go back to the top page.

If what you say is true, should https://crafty-wiki.silverfyre.info/en/Web%20Console/ then redirect to https://crafty-wiki.silverfyre.info/Folder/Page/en/Web%20Console/ ?

I guess I would suggest allowing folders to have wikitext associated with them, like how image files can also have .mediawiki files for text, or looking at changing the directory style.

I suppose we can just re-architect our file directories to make a new top-level folder and put the parent and child pages in it at the same level. Or should we move the en/Web Console page to en/Web Console/Main Page?

[Qrbaker]

I think I have it figured out. I moved the page to en/Web Console/Main Page and the hierarchy works as expected. This came down to an issue with the page creation process, which doesn't make it clear that you need to preemptively make a page name like this if you intend to nest pages under it later.

I don't know the feasibility, but it would be nice to perhaps have an option to "add a sub-page" when on the edit screen, or next to the edit button, that moves the page to a folder main page and then redirects to the new page.

Although this would mean any links to said page would then break...

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If you wish, I can close this issue as the immediate problem has been resolved. I'd want to make a feature request to track this in that case, while I look at a solution.

[TrueBrain]

Just to confirm I understand you correctly:

You expected that en/Web Console would be the "root" of en/Web Console/, so that if you visit the latter, you see the content of the first?

I can understand that; we introduced folders in a different way (as you found out by now), but I get where that idea comes from. When you hit Create Page on en/Web Console/ the first time, it does add Main Page to it, making the suggestion how it works. But I agree you need knowledge of how folders work in order for you to understand that part.

If you would make en/Web Console/Logs first, clicking on the hierarchy will give you a Page Not Found for en/Web Console/, but hitting Create Page there allows you to make the right page.

But when you come from the other direction, first make en/Web Console and afterwards think: I want to make this a folder and have subpages, it breaks a bit.

I too need to think about this. I guess once you know, you know, but a bit of hinting how folders work wouldn't hurt anyone. Interesting :D

[Qrbaker]

Yeah, I was coming at it from a mediawiki perspective I suppose. The common case of nested pages on mediawiki sites are userpages. A user will have their User:username page, and might make, say, a User:username/sandbox page.